Most of the below interview with Jake Gerber took place in 2004, shortly after Mark Taylor purchased and sorted through reel after reel from the remnants of the Fine Recording Studio.  One of Jake's '60's bands, Groop Ltd., had recorded for Fine Studios so the timing was perfect to get Jake's recollections on his teen band.

In late July 2008, Jake got back in touch with us and graciously provided an update on his musical endeavors, along with some never-before-published photos of Groop Ltd. and other highlights of his still busy musical career.

Groop Ltd.
Jake Gerber
An Interview With Jake Gerber

60sgaragebands.com (60s): How did you first get interested in music?
Jake Gerber (JG): I remember distinctly ...It was 1957. I heard Elvis on the radio:  'Don't Be Cruel' and 'Hound Dog.'  Actually I started violin in fourth grade, but hated it.  Elvis was very cool, but that was not the incentive to play. What goosed me was when I heard the opening chords of 'Bye Bye Love' by Phil and Don. Just the rhythm of the acoustic guitars blew me away. That was in June of 1957, I believe. I talked my dad into buying me an acoustic guitar. He had a friend in the music business. I started on a J-200.  I was very fortunate to have the best father on the planet. He will always be my muse.

60s: Was Groop Ltd. your first band?
JG: God, no. I was playing in bars escorted by my dad when I was 15-16. I had a couple of great teachers. I never took lesons formally, but Mike Difrancisco was my mentor. He was a great jazz player. He also introduced me to another great jazz man, Dick Longale. Between the two of them I must have absorbed something.  To this day I don't know what they saw in me - possibly this overwhelming enthusiasm I had. I could not have had better people to work with.

Mike would get these rock gigs and ask me if I wanted to play with them. There were a lot of  black clubs on Goodman Street, if I recall. Then I started getting known and would get people asking me if I wanted to play these one night stands with them. I remember backing up this black singer named Angle Finess. I swear to God, that was his name. He was a blues singer. Mike put that together. He would take me on all these jobs.

There are no group names that I can think of, but I certainly was playing all the time since I was 15-16 years old. I am forever indebted to Mike. Longale was the other one. He was older in his fifties or beyond? He would sit me down and say, "play me something." Mind you, this was one of the best chord players I had ever heard. He would suggest trying all these inversions. I ate it up. I still do.  I can say humbly that I am probably the best chord player in pop music. No one knows what the hell I am doing playing all these jazz inversions in pop music.

60s: When was Groop Ltd. formed?
JG: This is a fond memory. The Beatles had just played Sullivan on February 9,1964.  Everyone was going for it. Mind you, I was very heavily influenced vocally by the Everlys. The Beatles had it all. It was everything I liked aesthetically in music:  Harmony, chord changes, etc.

It was February 14 - Valentine's Day - and a friend from Irondequoit was having a party at his house. His name was and still is Rick Rugg. I had heard Dick and Russ playing a school dance sometime during the school year.  I don't remember how I met them. However, they were playing at this party at Rick's house. I, being the extrovert, went up to them and suggested I sit in and we would do a couple of Beatles songs. I learned them as soon as Meet The Beatles came out. So I told them the chords to 'I Saw Her Standing There.' It was the easiest one with only four chords - easy to pull off. I had sung Everly Bros. tunes since sixth grade. Now it was time to actually do it. Mind you, I did not sing on these jobs with Mike Difrancisco. They were either backing up a singer or instrumental tunes.  I introduced myself, and always had a guitar in the trunk of my dad's car. I went out to the car and brought it in and plugged into an amp. I had a Gretsch at the time. A Country Club...if I recall.  That was the beginning. The reason it lasted was quite simple. People at the party ate it up. I knew a meal ticket when I saw it. I became the leader as I did the arrangements and sang most of the leads at that time. We became inseparable that last year of high school in Irondequoit.
We played one dance or so a month at the school after Rick's party. We played all Beatles tunes, and were an instant   success. The word spread quite quickly that these guys from Irondequoit were like The Beatles. The fact is, we were just the first to pick up on using an entire repertoire of Beatles songs.

60s:  Who all comprised the band at this time?
JG: By the time we played this first job at the high school in '64 we were using good instruments. I have a picture someone took of that first "show".  The drummer's name at that time was Bob Fry. He played Ludwig drums. Need I say more? Russell Schaad played a beautiful '62 Fender P bass. Dick Kirkmire played Guild Starfire. I played a Gretsch Country Gent, just like George's (Harrison). We had a very small sound system for the vocals, and I think possibly two 12 inch speakers on the PA. We used Fender amps for the guitars. I think a Showman and a Tremlux and an Ampeg B15 for the bass. And Shure mics.

60s: What type of gigs did Groop Ltd. typically play?
JG: All the high schools and colleges in Rochester, the U of R, and RIT.  Then we started playing these Sunday afternoon gigs at different churches, as best as I can recall. Then we got a record out and did TV. We played on Joe Dean's Sock Hop on BBF Rochester. I would love it if someone could get that footage. It would be 1964-1965.

60s: Did you play any of the local teen clubs?
JG: Those were the Sunday afternoon jobs. We played from 1:00 to 5:00 - or something like that. I can't recall any of the names (of the clubs).  The peculiar thing is, I remember certain jobs...such as this Temple out in Brighton. It was early on. When we started playing two nights a week it got a bit much. We did these shows out in the suburbs on Sundays. We were playing two and three jobs a week.

60s: Did Groop Ltd. participate in any battle of the bands?
JG: We never did. We were successful right out of the shoot. I, however, did those things as a judge. It was amazing how many people I fooled. It was all because of Mike Difranceso and Dick Longale. It was those bloody chord inversions that made people believe I was good. It was a great act...I always felt guilty. I knew these great players and they never were making the money or the fame. They are the ones that deserved it, sure as hell not me. I believe it was my image that sold me.

I grew up playing with Jim Barton. He was and still is an unbelievable keyboard player. He is very soulful. We started playing together when we were 14-15m but when The Beatles hit he did not want to go for the ride and keyboards fell out of favor. He got screwed.

60s: How far was the band's "touring" territory?
JG: Canadaugia, New York. We played at Bristol Mountain Ski Lodge foe the winter of '65. It was a great time. And we played Bristol, New York (30 miles).

60s: How would you describe the band's sound?
JG: This was strictly a Beatles cover band - an ersatz Beatles as it were...

60s: Did Groop Ltd. have a manager?
JG: Yes.

60s: How popular locally did Groop Ltd. become?
JG: Huge. We recorded a record in Buffalo in, I believe, June of 1964.  It was on the radio all the time. We also were the opening act for (many of) the British Invasion (groups) and did the concerts with Gerry and The Pacemakers, Freddie and The Dreamers, Wayne Fontana, Jr. Walker, and Gary Lewis and The Playboys.  They were the worst band I ever heard. We opened up the shows and did our Beatles' bit - then they came on and did the same songs. They were so bad you could not tell what the song was. They played all the wrong changes and the vocals were terrible.

After the record hit the local charts we were very popular. I remember one job at the Auditorium Theatre in Rochester. That was a great venue. We had been the opening act for the British groups. When we were leaving the back artist entrance we were mobbed by all these girls. That's the honest to God truth. They were chasing us to our cars or wherever we were going, and asking for autographs.

60s: Did the band open for any other national acts?
JG: I cannot remember most. You would have to find the newspapers of the day. Actually, I think we only did two of those shows - but the great thing was there would be something like six British acts.

60s: Your record was 'As Time Goes By' b/w 'Tomorrow' on the Integrity label. What do you remember about the recording session?
JG: That's a great question. We recorded it in Buffalo, New York. This is great. Dick Kirkmire's parents would not let him go. I double tracked the guitars. It was a four track studio (If I recall, possibly a two track).  I remember Russell's car broke down on the freeway. We were picked up on the side of the freeway by our manager. I was being flippant before. His name is Bob Rice. I love him like a brother. He was our manager after we got to the point where I could no longer handle it.

I was the first one. We had business cards the whole bit: " The Groop Ltd. (with the Liverpool Sound)".  I think we had three variants of the card and a very sixties logo with the name in flowers. We were ahead of our time on that one. It was very psychedelic...

Back to the recording...Kerim sang the leads. I overdubbed the guitars, acoustic and electric. The little bastard would not let anyone else sing on his songs...

60s: When recapping the name of the band members, you didn't list Kerim. I assume he replaced Bob Fry, correct?
JG: Good point. Bob Fry was the first drummer. He was with the band for I believe only one job. My parents knew Kerim's father. "Piano Pasha." He played at a place called the Crescent Beach Hotel on Lake Ontario. He was a great concert pianist from Izmer Turkey.

My parents told Pasha that I had a band. At this time, in June of 1964, my parents insisted I meet this kid. He was 15 years old. On a lark I met with him. He was sitting in with his dad playing drums for a set. He was a great jazz drummer.  I spoke with Kerim between sets. I told him I had a Beatles cover band, but had no idea he was enamored by The Beatles as well. We got together in his hotel room and he picked up a guitar and played me all the guitar parts. I was blown away.

I said I would pick him up and bring him to a rehearsal. He came and the rest is history. He not only played all the instruments but sang all the parts. Kerim was heaven sent. His dad was having problems with Kerim and asked my parents if he could live with us. We adopted him in, I think, August of '64. It was not formal but he was sharing my room at home for the remainder of this time with the band. Kerim played with The Monkees after the Groop and The Heard. He again stayed with my girlfriend and myself in Los Angeles of 1968-69. He toured with The Monkees in the summer of 1967.

I must add this. I came back to Rochester from Los Angeles in June of 1967 right after Sgt. Pepper was released. I had no idea Kerim was playing with The Sundowners, The Monkees backup group. He called me at home and said he was in town with The Monkees. I said, "what?"  He said to meet him at the hotel where they were all staying, and that he would leave my name with the security people. So I get to the hotel and it is like the bloody Beatles were staying there.  The Monkees were huge!

I had to show an ID to get past the guards. Kerim met me as soon as I got off the elevator. There was so much security you would not have believed it. He took me to Mickey Dolenz's room, and the rest of the band was hanging out there. They had a ton of grass with them - they traveled with a brick..ie kilo.  This was funny; we were smoking reefer and there were cops all over the floor of the hotel. You could smell it as soon as you got off the elevator.

On the bus ride to the War Memorial I was sitting next to Kerim and Davey. Kerim looked and me and said, "You would not believe this guy that just was axed from the tour as opening act." I asked him what this was all about. He said this guy named Jimi Hendrix was a guitar player that had this power trio. He kept telling me how great this guy was. I met Hendrix a couple years later when The Rustix opened for The Experience.

By the time we got to the venue it was mass hysteria. The screaming was so loud I could not believe it. Kerim made the grade. (He also co-wrote a song with Davey Jones on the Astrology album?). Kerim insisted I go on the road with the tour for a few days. I shared a room with him and went to Buffalo and somewhere else. We were like brothers that hated each other, but had a mutual respect. When I think of him it is very sad.... He was the most gifted natural musician I have ever known...

Here is a good thought. Kerim had to go back and visit his mother in the summer of '65. Bob Rice, our manager, got Steve Gadd to replace Kerim for that period. Steve Gadd is an incredible drummer. Has played on most of Paul Simon's sessions, and also played with Lennon and McCartney at various points. I know he played on Paul's 'Take It Away' since he is on the video.

60s: So Kerim wrote the sides of the single?
JG: Kerim wrote both tunes. He was a musical genius. I think anyone that ever played with him would back me on that. This caused much friction in the band between Kerim and myself. We both wanted to be the leader. We split the lead vocals. Dick sang harmonies and did one lead on 'Long Tall Texan' - I guess we did a few tunes that were not Beatles. We did some Searchers, too, I believe. Those (the single) were the only original songs the band ever did.

60s: Do any (other) '60's Groop Ltd. recordings exist? Are there any vintage live recordings?
JG: In fact there are some somewhere. I know we did two or three live television shows. I would love to see that now. I have two of the records myself. I think Bob Rice, the manager and owner of Integrity Records, may have some. He would be the one to tell you what it was like. He's a great guy. I have been blessed with the people that involved themselves with me musically.

60s: Do you recall anything about the songs ('Hey Girl', 'It's Alright', 'Slow Down', Instro, and 'Empty Heart') that were recorded at the Fine Recording Studio and were recently discovered by Mark Taylor?
JG: I don't. However, I did a bit of recording backing other people when I was young.  There were two great singers from a band called The Rustix:  Al and Charlie. Before they had their group I met them and recorded with them at some small studio. That sounds like the kind of thing we would have recorded. These guys were great singers. They were Blue-Eyed Soul, and easily as good as The Righteous Brothers were. This was about 1961 or 1962. I would bet those are the tunes you are referring to. That was my first studio job.

60s: The songs recently discovered in the Fine Recording Studio are credited to Groop Ltd. so they couldn't be the backing songs that you refer to. It's not possible that the band recorded songs without your involvement, is it?
JG: I was involved in everything with that band. I may have forgotten. If it was recorded by The Groop I was playing guitar and singing. It amazes me that other people have a much better recollection of this period than myself. I was very busy for a few years. I was the hired gun on guitar and vocals for all the bands in Rochester. I filled in with everybody at one time or another.

60s: Why did the band break up in the '60s?
JG: It was like a poor man's Beatles. There was internal conflict between Kerim and myself. I remember once we almost got into a physical fight during a break at a performance.  Does that sound pretentious? This was between sets. You could have heard a name drop it was so quiet between us...

60s: Did you join any band after Groop Ltd?
JG: Yes.  The Quirks, Gingerbread, T-Bones. I also played as a fill in guitarist for a bunch of bands that I can't recall.

I was doing a demo session once at one of the studios and someone gave me an acetate that The Beach Boys had just finished.  They said Brian didn't like the lyrics and as I was a staffwriter maybe I would be interested in giving it a shot (writing new lyrics).  The song was titled 'Friends.'  I didn;t even listen to it until I was back in New York visiting my family. That was hands down the biggest mistake of my life! If I would have had any sense of history, I should have jumped on that and made it a life priority. I learned a valuable lesson there. The Beach Boys are not only great; they are huge!

I had dropped out of the University of Rochester in January 1967 and went for the bigtime in Los Angeles.  All I had was a suitcase, a Fender P bass and a Gretsch White Falcon.  As fate would have it, I knew a girl from Rochester, Carol Ann Scott, that was working at Capitol Records. Carol knew everyone in the biz . She introduced me to some people and within a month I was signed to Mercury Records as a performing member of the T-Bones, who had a hit with 'No Matter What Shape.'  They hired both me and Jim Keltner.

I had met Randy Benjamin and Chuch Carey shortly after arriving in Los Angeles. Carol at Capitol put me in touch with these two guys that had a duo. We became fast friends and were all living at the Hollywood Sunset Hotel or the Colonial West across the street on Sunset. One night, Randy went down to Santa Monica Blvd. to get some pizza take out. While he was waiting in line he heard these two guys talking about having to get a drummer and a guitar player for the band to perform (the original tracking of the album was done by sessions players). Randy is one of the most engaging people you would ever want to meet. He introduced himself and mentioned that (he knew) this guy that just came out from New York and was a great player and he was sure he would fit the bill. Randy gave Tommy my telephone number at the hotel and the next day he called and asked if I would be willing to come over to the sound stage at A&M to see if I could cut it musically. The next morning I was picked up and taken to A&M (this was the only time that we rehearsed at A&M; the rest of the time was at a place Mercury Records owned).  So on that first day when I got there everything was set up and I was introduced to everyone.  Jim Keltner was also the new man, so we had just met as well.

The rehearsal went well.  They showed us the set sheet and the basic structure of the songs. It was a piece of cake and the money and guitars were spot on.  The T-Bones band was instrumental, aka the Alka Seltzer commercial. Tommy Reynolds played steel drums in the goup and went on to record with The Stones on a few tracks. I remember one TV show we did, The Danny Thomas Show, was live at Pacific Palisades. Sonny and Cher were also on the bill and we all shared a common dressing room.  Everybody in The T-Bones were pot smokers and we thought that Sonny and Cher may want to split a joint beofre the show. When I asked Cher if she wanted to join us she politely said they didn't do drugs. So much for the image. This was 1967; both Jim and I left the group in July. What was so great about playing in the band was Mercury Records also had The Ventures and they had come out with Mosrite guitars. Within the first week, I had my hotel room full of Mosrite guitars, double neck, bass, a couple of six-strings, etc. They wanted me to use those when we performed. They were actually nice instruments and it was fine by me.

While living at the Hollywood Sunset Hotel I would come across other musicians everyday on the elevator. I must have seen Peter Asher (Peter and Gordon) everyday. However there were many others. Little Richard was playing in the lounge of the hotel (circa February-May 1967) if you can believe that.There was also P.F. Sloan who had written hits for Hermans Hermits ('Shes A Must To Avoid') and a band called Harpers Bizarre who had a hit with Paul Simon's '59th Street Bridge Song.' We were all friends.

One night in mid-May of 1967 Randy, Chuck and I were in Chuck's room and got a phone call from Harpers Bizarre's manager, who was always on top of everything. He asked if we wanted to come to his room to listen to something he just got an acetate of and thought we would want to hear it. That turned out to be an understatement, to say the least.

We got up there and every musician in the hotel was there. After everyone was seated, he turned down the lights and puts this acetate on the turntable. No one knew what this was all about . Then we all heard for the first time a song called 'A Day In The Life.' I don't know how to describe the feelings everyone had. It was just silence after the extended finale of the song. It was like, "Why even try?" The bloody Beatles did it again.  To this day, I have no idea how he got an advance pressing of this song. I do know Paul was in town around that time as Randy had seen him in a car on Santa Monica Blvd. a few days before. I was one of a handful of lucky people in the world to hear that song before its release. On June 1st, Sgt. Pepper's was released to the public.

Fast forward to August of 1974-1975. I was in Los Angeles trying to pitch some songs. I was hoping that someone at A&M would remember me. I had met this girl there a year or so earlier named Carol Arias; she worked for Darkhorse Records and had a sister named Olivia that was also a secretary for George at the time. I had called her and told her I was going to stop by. I had just pulled in the parking lot in the back of the building (the old Charlie Chaplin studios). Getting into A&M at this time was impossible unless you had worked there and someone knew you. I was just getting out of my car when a Mercedes pulled in the stall next to mine. It was Jim Keltner. We had not seen each other for seven-eight years. We started to chat about those times way back when. I asked what he was doing there and he said he was going to a mixing session of a friend and asked if I wanted to join him (when in The T-Bones I sang a few Beatles songs and he knew I was into it).  I said sure and followed him in. There, in the console room, were two people, an engineer and George Harrison. Jim introduced us and I just hung around for a while and absorbed what was going on.  George had recently finished a live tour and apparently they had recorded some of the shows. It was great.  Ironically I was there to see Carol Arias at Darkhorse (George's company).  It wouldn't have been right to intrude on George's time with me trying to pitch some tunes. George in that setting was exactly like you would expect him to be--a very regular guy.  On occasion he would ask if this or that sounded decent (his voice was not in the best shape during the tour and I think if they had plans to release a live album, they decided against it that day); what do you say to a Beatle? He knew. He was great and said it was good to meet you,see you around here again sometime when you're working. (I had not worked at A&M for several years. The last time had been rehearsing with Lee Michaels which lasted all of a week)  Jim Keltner I am sure got a kick out of this whole excange. As everyone knows, Jim has played with everybody that is anybody. I have been lucky to have played with both Keltner and Steve Gadd in my lifetime.

It was in December of 1976 when a friend called me on the phone and said he just read in the Sunday paper that there was going to be a show on Broadway of all Beatles music and they were auditioning locals at SIR (Studio Instrument Rentals) in San Francisco. I got the paper,  read the ad, and figured why not? I knew I was a ringer for Paul's or George's part. Apparently this was much larger in scope than I could ever have imagined. They were holding auditions in London, Chicago, New York, Boston, Los Angeles and every other English speaking country in the world.  I took my Martin D-41 with me and a capo for 'Here Comes The Sun.'  If I really wanted the part, that would cinch it. There were a lot of wanna be Beatles there--probably fifty at the very least. SIR is very professional and they had the mics set up on a soundstage and a baby grand piano. I was about in the middle of the group.  Each ersantz Beatle would go up and play two songs. No one could seem to pull it off. They all played the wrong chord changes and the vocals were spotty. They then called "Jake Gerber." I must say I was quite smug. I have never lacked for confidence in this arena. I think I played 'Hey Jude' on piano first and it sounded like Paul and the producers knew it. Then I picked up the Martin. "Do I play 'Blackbird' or 'Here Comes The Sun?'' I wondered.  I asked them which tune to play.  They both fit very well with just one acoustic guitar. They said they were convinced I could play Paul, so play the Harrison song. I am glad I brought the capo. I did 'Here Comes The Sun' and nailed it.  It is amazing how well you play when you have an audience of important people. As soon as I finished they pulled me aside and said I would be flying to Los Angeles in two days.   I will never forget this bit. The press was all over this show and the auditions.  After I had done my two song bit, there were no less than ten photographers flashing pictures of me. It was surreal and only the beginning.

This was the end of 1976 or the beginning of 1977. I was picked up by a limo and taken to SFO and met at the gate by one of the producer's assistants. We flew to Los Angeles together and I had a couple guitars in the baggage, a Fender bass and a Stratocaster. I can't recall this guys name to save my life. He gave me the whole story.They already had the first bunk in New York City and they had already been rehearsing for some months at SIR New York. All this was for the understudies. (In Broadway parlance an understudy has a relative minor perjorative connotation. That is far from reality.) We got off the plane at LAX and there was a limo to pick us up. We went directly to SIR and they had flown in all the best from around the world to see who would work together best. In other words, they would have me on bass on one song and someone else on guitar, then switch it with all the variables.  Imagine twelve Beatles vying for four spots.  It was apparent by the end of the day what four were going to be flying to New York within the week. Reed Kalin was Paul, Randy ? was John, and I was George. They changed the drummers at the last minute.  They gave us one week to get our affairs in order and we had to be in New York City the following week. I had a great bungalow in Palo Alto and payed six months rent in advance and just covered everything with sheets and said goodbye.

When I got off the plane at JFK there again was a limo and Reed had flown in from Los Angeles within the past hour, so we shared the ride into the city. We took a red eye and arrived in New York at 6:00AM, however youth has its upside. We were put in a hotel in midtown a few blocks from SIR. We were sharing a suite with the two other "Beatles." Reed was a former member of the band The Grass Roots and had Paul's range vocally and played great. The drummer, whose name I believe was James, was easy to get along with; he was a ringer. Now we had one other guy, Randy. He was to play Lennon.  He was about 6'2" tall (we were all 5'7"-5'8").  That was an issue from the perspective of the band visually.

We went to the soundstage later in the day and heard the group that already had their jobs. They were The Beatles! Mind you, back then VOX was still not USA friendly, so all the amps had a VOX facade and different internals. They looked like the originals, but were much better with JBLs in the cabinets and some top of the line power amps in the heads. The stage was set up perfectly. They even had an original Mellotron (talk about something breaking down every five minutes. The tape loops were a real problem). 

The first person I ran into was Murry The K, "the fifth Beatle."   He looked much different without a rug on.  He came to almost all the rehearsals. He was like a technical advisor (and suggested) how to stand/move on stage, etc. He was great! Then we had a musical director, Sandy Yaguda.  He was the one that would tell each of us what vocal part to sing on any given song. The original New York band was very tight and sounded exact ly like The Beatles and Mitch Wiseman was a ringer for Paul (he was righthanded and learned to play bass left handed . That is how much he was into it) so much so that people mistook him for McCartney on the street.  We started rehearsals in earnest the following day.

There was a huge problem from the start with me. Randy, who was to play John, didnt' look the part and sang like Tom Jones; he didn't sound like a Beatle. He played a guitar, but had to be taught the changes each night in the hotel room. This after rehearsing eight hour a day. We really butted heads. The rest of the bunk I was in were great.  Reed was a fantastic Paul. He and I would play all night in the suite together, just for the fun of it. Randy was like an outsider to the rest of us and I kept complaining that I couldn't play with him. As the weeks rolled on this became a real problem. When we were practicing on stage I would stop in mid-song and complain about something he was doing wrong. This did not go over well with the others that had the money invested in this project. I also would use jazz inversions on some of the chords which Sandy picked up on and would tell me everyday to play it straight like The Beatles did. Between this scenerio, with Randy and me not playing what I wanted but rather than what they wanted, became enormous. By the third week I was in deep water. I was asked by two of the primary players in the production to get off the stage. Sandy, who was quite a bit larger than me, took me by the throat and said if I didn't straighten up I would be fired. I promised I would do as told. However, the very next day, the same thing happened and I was getting a mental block whenever I had to sing with Randy. When we returned to the hotel I told Reed and James as well as Mitch that I thought I was going to be fired. They all said there was no way that could happen; that if anyone was going it was going to be Randy. They believed I was not replacable.  I learned a valuable lesson here:  No one is irreplacable.

The following day after rehearsals we had returned to the hotel room and I remember telling Reed and Mitch that I was going to be fired unless they could help me get Randy axed. They still felt that was not going to happen. At about 9:00PM on a blistery New York winter's night the phone rang in the suite. It was a call for me. It was from the offices of Leiber/Krebbs. I was told to come over to the offices as soon as possible.  I must have turned white. I told the guys I had just been summoned to the chief's offices.  Everyone became very quiet.

I took a hack over and was ushered into Steve Krebb's office. All the primary investors were there. I was told to sit down and shut up. They went on to tell me the show was to preview in Boston in late Mrach and then the Winter Garden in April. Time was getting close and I had done nothing but upset the applecart. They then handed me a one way ticket and a check. I was to fly back to SFO the following day. I was shellshocked to say the least. I tried to explain my dilema to no avail. They said they had invested millions in this production and that the Winter Garden opeing would make or break the show. Cest la vie.  When I got back to the hotel, everyone knew by the look on my deflated face. I was out after six weeks. None of my roommates knew who was going to replace me.  However, the following day, Marshall Chrenshaw was coming in as I was going out.

The show went on to be the bigggest money maker on Broadway and the touring company for some time. I ran into Joe Peccorino a few years later as he was touring with the cast. (He was the original Lennon and his voice was so close to Lennon's you could not tell the difference.) I had liked Joe from the get go and thought he was a tremendous talent and Lennon's doppleganger. We had a nice chat and spent some time together after the show. He told me everything that had happened the night of my departure and what the mood was at rehearsals after I was fired. The irony is, everyone had the same take on Randy as I did; however, I was the one that couldn't keep my mouth shut. In business, you can't have a rogue/maverick/loose canon or whatever you want to call it. It just takes one cog that is not working to bring down the whole assembly. Leiber/Krebbs were riding high in the seventies. They were Aerosmith's company.  All they touched turned to platinum from record sales to Broadway.

Richie Furay and I met in Denver. We became friends and played a bit it together. I am privy to what really went down.  Rich was in Buffalo Springfield and was the best singer in the band and then formed Poco, which in many people's opinion and mine in particular had the worst record deal in music history. Thanks Epic Records for being the most shortsighted label of all time. You had a supergroup that got blown away by The Eagles.  Your marketing team showed a lack of faith in one of the most professional and talented bands of all time has gone unnoticed by a large majority. The Eagles are great, but Poco was not only first with that country rock sound, they were the best.  Richie is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a member of The Buffalo Springfield and not Poco. Steven Still is in the Hall of Fame for Buffalo Springfield and another great group Crosby, Stills Nash & Young (CSN&Y). So Neil and Steven thrive and Richie had a band equal to CSN&Y and they get no mention?  Music is about marketing...

60s: You alluded to the fact that after Groop Ltd., Kerim went on to The Heard. What did you think of that band?  They were another legendary Rochester garage band...
JG: Unfortunately I think I may have "Heard" them only once. We were all good friends. They were smart. They did not do the Beatles covers as such. They did some definitely. But I think Gary Quinn was Jagger's doppleganger. They did the Stones and more blues tunes. They had a lot of talent. Pete (Genovese) played drums, and Brad Wheat guitar and vocals.  Bradley was a very gifted guy. He was not a great technician on guitar, but was very much like Brian Wilson. He played great, no question. It was his simplicity and his great ear for harmony. That far exceeds this business of everyone thinking the faster you play the better you are. That is bullshit. Brad was in the pocket. Gary was on vocals. I can't remember who else was in the band. The talent was there. I am sure they were great. The problem was this. All this talent in Rochester and not one of the bands broke nationally. Actually - I should be corrected; Mitch Miller and Chuck Mangione made it.  It is a pity. There is this conservative movement. There is something to be said about Liverpool and Rochester. Long dark cold winters breed terrific musicians.

60s: What about today. How often, and where, do you perform?
JG: I write great pop songs. I have recorded in Nashville and Los Angeles as well as in Rochester. I still play for a couple of hours per day. I just play guitar to write. I switched to bass a few years ago. I play and sing all Maccas lines. I am still looking to get signed.  My material sounds so much like The Beatles people still ask the same thing: "Is that a Beatles song I have not heard before?"  They are that good.

I am at San Francisco State.  I'm an Itinerant student.  I have lectured on music production and am working on my thesis. You know all the major Ivy League schools have courses on Beatles' music. We have one at State. Saul Gropman teaches the course. He is very knowledgeable.

I was in Denver (a while ago). I met with Richie Furay for four days. We did a lot of talking about his days with the Buffalo Springfield and Poco. We got to play a bit as well. I tried to coerce him into starting a band. He is a pastor now. He's a great man, and still has that voice and he writes amazing songs. It was rather surreal. One day I was sitting on the couch and started playing 'Child's Claim To Fame.' All of a sudden I hear the harmony behind me. What an experience singing that song with the man that wrote it. I have a tape of the tunes we rehearsed. He still has a plethora of great songs recorded with no label. It's a pity.

On stage during the 'Hey Jude' refrain...
I was in London four years ago to mix a recording I did in Nashville. The timing was terrible as Paul (McCartney) was in town at the time and customs held up the masters for a week before I got them from Nashville to remix in London. I had contacted Barrie Marshall who is Paul's touring promoter and gave a rough mix to him while in London. I heard back from him and he had given the CD to Paul.  I also dropped off a 78RPM Buddy Holly single of 'That'll Be The Day' at Paul's office in Soho Square.

When I got back to the States Paul sent me a thank you note and indicated he might have been be coming to the Bay Area for a show with Neil Young. This was not finalized at the time, however Paul did play two nights at Neil's Bridge Concert in October of 2004. I wrote Barry and asked him if Paul would leave my name with security for that venue (Shoreline) as it would give me an opportunity to discuss what I wanted to do with Paul.

I made it down to Shoreline and it was pouring rain (this is an outdoor event with the exception of the swells that had covered seats). I drove up to the artist entrance and I had my passport with me for ID and it showed I had recently returned from London.

(This is a funny aside. When I got off the plane at JFK coming from Heathrow, I immediately was taken by three security people to a secured area. I was flying first class and was one of the first off the plane and needed to catch my connection to SFO.  They put me in a room and had my Gibson J-200 on a counter. I didn't have a clue as to why I was being interrogated. They asked me questions for half an hour. They knew all the answers. They were prepared for me when I got off the plane. They knew everything about me. I kept asking, "Why me?"  The problem was one I should have addressed before leaving the UK. The Gibson had a pickup under the bridge and a nine volt battery with wires going to the volume control inside the soundhole. It looked like I was carrying a bomb in the body of the guitar.  The x-rays showed the battery and wires inside the guitar.  They made me take the bloody thing apart and explain what indeed it really was. I also had to play them a song to prove I was a musician. They got a free rendition of 'Blackbird.'  After all was said and done it was two hours later and I missed my connection.)
 
I showed them my passport and made it through Gate 1.  Then on to security at Gate 2.  At Gate 3 there were three men that had a ledger of people that were allowed in as performers. They asked for my ID and looked at the list; sure enough, I was on it. They gave me a lanyard and I was off to the races. As soon as I got to the backstage I ran right into Paul. I introduced myself and he immediately knew who I was. He also knew my agenda. I am known in many circles as sounding and writing music that may be a little to close to Paul's voice and style of writing from his Beatles' days. He had heard the CD and I wanted him to sing the bridge of this particular song. He asked who was representing me. I said no one would touch me because of my age (mind you, I got signed back in the sixties within a month of arriving in Los Angeles as a staff writer and session player. Youth carries a lot of weight,). He then asked who my attorney was. Again...I had no legal representation--just lawyers dealing with civil matters. He went on to say that I had better get a lawyer and an agent before he could discuss anything. I gave him another CD with the tracks open for his part.

This was about 6:00PM.  Paul would not go on until midnight. This was the first night of the two night programme. At about 11:30PM, Paul's band came around and they did a rhythmic pump up before they were to go on.  However, at about 11:45PM, everyone had departed backstage.  I was still there drinking tea as I was sick as a dog. Paul then came out of his dressing room with Heather and their baby. Before Paul went on they were showing film clips of The Beatles on the JumboTron to the audience (circa 1963, 'Love Me Do' and 'I Want To Hold Your Hand').  Heather left to go out in the audience and it was just Paul and me watching these film clips on the small backstage monitor. We were standing right next to each other and I was watching him (like I) watched him forty years ago. He was totally into it.  I kept looking from the monitor to his face. It was like he was watching another band that he really loved. It was the most surreal moment in my life. This went on for a bout ten minutes, then everybody came back to say it was his moment to go on. The band went on stage first and as I was walking with Paul he just grabbed his Hofner from a roadie right at the edge of the entrance to the stage. He just grabbed it and put it on in one motion and walked out on stage.

This was an all acoustic show, with the exception of Paul's bass. They opened with 'Drive My Car' and there were 20,000 people in the pouring rain at midnight so jazzed. Everybody was up and into it. I was standing next to Neil singing along with the band and he kept looking at me wondering where the hell I came from.  He was gracious as was his wife. When Paul's set was ending they gathered all the performers that had played that day and got them on stage with all these mics to sing on the refrain of  'Hey Jude.'  Neil's wife (told) me to get out there so I did. I was sharing a mic with Brian May. At the beginning of the song the house lights were down and you could not see the audience.  Then, when Paul started on the refrain, the lights went up on the audience and you could see 20,000 people singing the song.  You want to talk about an adrenilin rush?  I have never much cared for performing, even when I had to do it. But I can see why someone of Paul's stature needs to do it. It makes you feel twenty years younger when you feel all that energy from all these people.

The second day/night was a repeat of the first night. Paul and I got to talk quite a bit. We have mutual friends (Joe English was a good friend of mine from Rochester and he was with Paul in Wings in 1974-1976, I believe). He was great. The second night I really had the flu and when Paul came off the stage he was really spent. He was what--sixty three at the time?  Doing an hours set and singing all the leads. I gave him a thumbs up (literally ) and he said to, "Stay in touch, man." From the amount of time I spent talking to him, I can say without reservation that this guy is very sharp. Nothing gets by him. 

I  found out from Paul that his band members thought I was a rep for Gibson guitars. I had my J-200 in the trunk of my car and didn't want to leave it there so I brought it backstage and just put it in Tony Bennett's dressing room. I was playing 'Till There Was You' to kill some time and Rusty came in and played the guitar and he thought I was trying to get him to use Gibsons. He thought I was a rep.

Jake with Andy Summers
Later I was at Amoeba Records here in San Francisco (I collect vinyl).  While there I ran into Andy Summers and we started to chat. He was doing a meet and greet across the street and invited me over. He had some great stories concerning The Police. He said he could not envision them ever playing together again. This was four years ago; you know how that turned out.

60s: How do you best summarize your experiences with Groop Ltd?
JG: I have great memories, and we're still the best of friends. Russ is my daughter's Godfather. He is one of the kindest human beings on Earth. Dick and I recently saw each other in Colorado after twenty years.  He's a great guy.